Electronic training

[mick11]

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience of electronic training collars.

I need to keep my new dog from going up stairs and also stealing from the work tops in the kitchen, so I am trying an Innotek zones collar.
My initial impressions are very good.
He only digresses when no one is about, and so the behaviour is difficult to control. He seems to have learnt very quickly that these are no go areas.
Mick

[nick_j007]

Originally Posted by mick11

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience of electronic training collars.

I need to keep my new dog from going up stairs and also stealing from the work tops in the kitchen, so I am trying an Innotek zones collar.
My initial impressions are very good.
He only digresses when no one is about, and so the behaviour is difficult to control. He seems to have learnt very quickly that these are no go areas.
Mick

Hi Mick. I work with some pretty serious dog behaviour issues, and I've yet to need such a device. Any device like this that is being used in your absence is in my opinion not healthy...what if it malfunctions and you're not there?

Are you able to post a link to the equipment?

Thanks.

[mick11]

Originally Posted by nick_j007

Hi Mick. I work with some pretty serious dog behaviour issues, and I've yet to need such a device. Any device like this that is being used in your absence is in my opinion not healthy...what if it malfunctions and you're not there?

Are you able to post a link to the equipment?

Thanks.

Hi Nick,

The device is not used when I am not in the house as I am using it as a training aid.
A malfunction can only result in the device not working at all.

Scenario:
I am preparing a meal, the dog is no problem at all, I need to leave the kitchen, dog is after any food on the surface as soon as I leave the room.
If I leave the transmitter on the surface among the food, the collar is triggered when the dog (Doberman X) puts its paws on the worktop with its head above the work surface.

Innotek Instant Pet Barrier with One Zone - ZND 1200 -- E-collars.com Electronic Dog Training Collars & More

Mick

[mick11]

Update on Innotek zones collar.

This collar works by emitting a high frequency sound as the dog approaches the transmitter. If the dog continues to approach the transmitter a very small electrical stimulus is applied to the electrodes on the collar.This stimulus is similar to that used in "Tens" machines used for pain relief in humans. It is at an extremely low level and was barely perceptible when tested on my hand, but had a marked effect on my dog, it made him sneeze.

I have found it extremely effective and quick, and used it on targeted no go areas, and for no more than a couple of hours at a time.

My own thoughts are that it is a useful tool used in conjunction with traditional methods of training.

I have no connection in any way with the producers or distributes of this product and this is my own experience of this product.

Mick

[nick_j007]

Sorry Mick. I meant to come back to you on this one.

That does actually seem a nifty bit of kit.

You're UK based...did you get it from the states?

I could do with one for my Maine coon cat which is more like a dog anyway.

Nick

[mick11]

Hi Nick,
Got mine new from ebay from here INDOOR DOG FENCE BARRIER & COLLAR, ELECTRONIC, NO GATES on eBay, also Training Obedience, Dogs, Pet Supplies, Home Garden (end time 16-Apr-09 16:38:56 BST)

Mick

[MMDogTraining101]

I am not one for these collars, if you cannot control your dog while you are not at home for doing something you do not want it do then find a solution such as having your dog stay outside while you are away.

Definately I would not encourage anyone to buy a shock collar, that's my opinion but I'm sure many do see the benifits with them.

[mick11]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

1.I would suggest you read my previous posts again,carefully.

2.Why are you calling this a shock collar.

As previously stated the stimulus is so slight as to be barely perceptible when tested on my hand, hardly a shock.

One other benefit of the collar is that the dog does not associate the correction with me.

Whilst you are entitled to your own opinion, I do feel that it should be an informed opinion based on fact, rather than "Definately I would not encourage anyone to buy a shock collar" With no reason why.
Mick

[MMDogTraining101]

Sorry I maybe wasn't that clear, my reason why is because you can use a different solution such as haing an area outside for your dog while you are away.

I don't like shock collars on the whole (even though they are the minutest of shcoks) it's just that for most of the problems they solve there is another solution without the need for a shock collar.

Thanks for the welcome.

[mick11]

This is not a case of being away; and putting the dog outside would not solve the particular problems I described.

The collar solves the kind of problems I described very effectively in an amazingly short period of time, this is what it was designed for.

Describing these as shock collars is like me saying Cesar Millan punches kicks and throws dogs to the ground during training.

Mick